As a co-administrator of a y-DNA/surname project, I and my colleagues get many questions about what various genetic tests can do for people. The long answer probably requires an advanced degree in genetics… something most participants don’t have. Here is a simpler explanation which is true in the macro sense, though extended details are not covered.
Basically, there are three different kinds of genetic tests used in genealogy. One test is for markers on the y-chromosome. This test requires a sample from a male, as females do not have a y-chromosome. It looks at markers and allows you to compare them with other samples of known or unknown genealogies in hope that you will find a relative who proves a specific lineage.
The second type of test concerns mitochondrial DNA, the DNA which was in the egg from your mother (that became you!) and consequently the bodies of your cells today. Mitochondrial DNA comes only from your mother. It is only passed down a female line. Your mitochondrial DNA came from your mother and her mother and her mother back in time to the first human woman.
The third test is of autosomal DNA. Autosomal DNA is the DNA other than the sex chromosomes. In reproduction the autosomal DNA is mixed up with the creation of each new child, sometimes coyly referred to as a “transmission event.”
These three types of tests give us different information; and importantly, that information yields different genealogical information for different time periods.
Let us begin with our mothers and mitochondrial DNA. Mitochondrial DNA changes very slowly. One research paper recently reported a rate of one change per 371 “transmission events.” Thus, over 371 generations, there is a 50% chance that one child will have a change in her/his mitochondrial DNA. Population geneticists and genealogists define a generation as somewhere between 20 and 30 years. If we use 25 years here, we are talking about the likelihood of one change per 9,275 years. Now this change is random, so it could have occurred between you and your mother, but the likelihood of that is 1/371.
Here’s the simple way to look at this. Suppose we represent your mother’s mitochondrial DNA (mt-DNA) as a hand of four playing cards: the 2 ♦, the Queen ♥, the 10 ♠, and the Knight of ♣. The odds are that your mt-DNA is exactly the same (the 2 ♦, the Queen ♥, the 10 ♠, and the Knight of ♣); actually 370/371, or 99.73%. And if there is a change, it is minor and closely related. An example of a change would be represented by this configuration: the 2 ♦, the Queen ♥, the 9 ♠, and the Knight of ♣. We expect this same situation to hold true up and down your maternal line. A fifth cousin sharing the same maternal lineage will likely have the exact same mt-DNA with perhaps one minor change. For that reason, mt-DNA is very useful for establishing maternal shared ancestors, but of much less use to understand lineages in what we call genealogical time—the seven hundred years since surnames and some record keeping became more common. (Though royal lineages have been kept for thousands of years.)
Because mt-DNA changes so slowly, and because it is present in much larger quantities in people than other DNA and usually survives for years after death and burial, it is used to understand the genetics of earlier humans. One group of people killed by the Mount Vesuvius volcanic eruption of 24 August 79 AD (which destroyed the two ancient Roman cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum) was analyzed over 1,600 years later. The mt-DNA showed that six of 13 individuals in one house were maternally related, all having the unusual haplogroup T2b. Because of the slow rate of change of mt-DNA, scientists can confidently say that all of our mitochondrial lineages trace back to a common ancestor who lived in Africa 100,000 to 150,000 years ago. Some lineages migrated out of Africa about 60,000 years ago, while others remained.
I will return with further information about the rates of change for y-DNA and the autosomal DNA. The card game becomes much more complicated! Mitochondrial DNA changes so slowly you could think about dealing out the same four cards 371 times in a row. But for y-DNA (at 67 markers) it is just 3-4 hands in a row. And for autosomal DNA you get a new shuffle and a new hand with every transmission event.
Lalia Wilson for the Taylor surname project
Showing posts with label 67 markers. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 67 markers. Show all posts
Monday, November 7, 2011
Monday, August 1, 2011
Genetic Testing, what to do after 25 Markers
I was working with a project member this morning who had done 25 markers and was looking for how to make sense of the match. Here's what I told him, information that will be helpful for everyone:
I see that you have only tested 25 markers. You have 16 exact matches at 12 markers. While you are related to all those matches, they could be relatives prior to the last 700 years, when surnames came into existence. Thus, 12 marker matches do not mean much, unless you already know for sure (through a paper trail) your relationship.
At 25 markers, you have one match at a genetic distance of 1. This, again, does not mean much. Your match, Michael X*, has tested at 67 markers. So, you probably ought to upgrade your testing to 67 markers to see if you are still just one marker off an exact match, or if the match falls apart.
Here are two additional strategies you can try. Through your documented family history, find another male Taylor from your line (as distant a cousin as you can prove is your relative) and have him test. At that point, he will either match you closely (65, 66 or 67 or 67 markers), or not. If you do not match, then the paper trail is not accurate, and one or both of you descend from a line of a different male progenitor than is indicated on your genealogy.
A second strategy is to do the Family Finder test. Here you are matching autosomal DNA, matching across all family lines. While I am excited about this DNA test, and have done it for two of my Taylor and one Robinson relative, the matching is difficult so far because the people I've matched have not responded with their genealogical information. I'm not blaming them, as the protocol for how to work with others in matching autosomal DNA is not developed and many of them may be clueless. So, the science of autosomal matching is definitive, but the cooperating with one another to discover how we are related is in its infancy.
I hope all this is helpful. Please do more y-DNA markers, at least 67. Then consider the Family Finder test. Together with the Taylor team, we should be able to assist you with your genetic matches.
Lalia
*Complete name not give for reasons of privacy.
Note: the image is a Taylor important in the history of Louisville, Kentucky, whose name I did not get.
Thursday, April 22, 2010
A Model Letter to Promote the Taylor Project
Hi Fellow Taylors!
Whenever I run into a new Taylor in my life, I tell them about the Taylor project. It's hard to explain in a simple soundbite, and sometimes I'm less than successful. So I met yet another Taylor Tuesday evening, and got his e-mail and sent him this letter. It is adapted from the letter we are now sending to anyone who contacts the project, without yet being a member. I recommend you take it and modify it to your needs. I'm wondering, myself, if it would be too OCD to carry copies in my purse to hand out...
See letter below.
Lalia
~~~~~~~~~
Dear...
Here is information about the Taylor DNA project, hosted by FTDNA (Family Tree DNA). It allows you and the rest of us find our ancestral lines. Our Taylor Family Genes project posts the DNA results and family trees for members of the project. The public is welcome to view our public page, http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~taylorydna, and to explore the FTDNA websites--which together have a wealth of information about genetic genealogy and about the Taylor project.
To become a member, you'll need to go to FTDNA, http://www.ftdna.com/, and click on the "Products" tab at the top of the page and scroll down to the list of tests, then order a kit. There are many products available so we recommend our new members purchase the 37 DNA marker test (or the 67) because when you do get a match, it is easier to zoom in on the generation in which a common ancestor lived. These kits are for men. For Taylor women with no male Taylor to be tested, you have the option of following your maternal line, through testing mtDNA, or testing autosomal DNA, through the new Family Finder test. These two tests are also available to males.
Once your kit is turned in for processing there's about a 1 month waiting period for your results to come back. You can join the Taylor surname project at that time and we will request that you send your family tree to be posted on the site. Once your markers are in, FTDNA will post them and send you a certificate with all the data.
We hope this has given you the information to get you started. We look forward to you joining the 350 Taylors already participating in the project, who currently are sorted into about 35 family groups (i.e. related markers) and a number of "singles" awaiting family matches.
Whenever I run into a new Taylor in my life, I tell them about the Taylor project. It's hard to explain in a simple soundbite, and sometimes I'm less than successful. So I met yet another Taylor Tuesday evening, and got his e-mail and sent him this letter. It is adapted from the letter we are now sending to anyone who contacts the project, without yet being a member. I recommend you take it and modify it to your needs. I'm wondering, myself, if it would be too OCD to carry copies in my purse to hand out...
See letter below.
Lalia
~~~~~~~~~
Dear...
Here is information about the Taylor DNA project, hosted by FTDNA (Family Tree DNA). It allows you and the rest of us find our ancestral lines. Our Taylor Family Genes project posts the DNA results and family trees for members of the project. The public is welcome to view our public page, http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~taylorydna, and to explore the FTDNA websites--which together have a wealth of information about genetic genealogy and about the Taylor project.
To become a member, you'll need to go to FTDNA, http://www.ftdna.com/, and click on the "Products" tab at the top of the page and scroll down to the list of tests, then order a kit. There are many products available so we recommend our new members purchase the 37 DNA marker test (or the 67) because when you do get a match, it is easier to zoom in on the generation in which a common ancestor lived. These kits are for men. For Taylor women with no male Taylor to be tested, you have the option of following your maternal line, through testing mtDNA, or testing autosomal DNA, through the new Family Finder test. These two tests are also available to males.
Once your kit is turned in for processing there's about a 1 month waiting period for your results to come back. You can join the Taylor surname project at that time and we will request that you send your family tree to be posted on the site. Once your markers are in, FTDNA will post them and send you a certificate with all the data.
We hope this has given you the information to get you started. We look forward to you joining the 350 Taylors already participating in the project, who currently are sorted into about 35 family groups (i.e. related markers) and a number of "singles" awaiting family matches.
Friday, September 4, 2009
67-Marker Matches
Hi Again,
I'm continuing with more material from Ralph Taylor on the meaning of matches. What does it mean if you match 67 out of 67, commonly written 67/67, with another person? There is about a 50% likelihood that you share the same great-grandfather! Thus, you are second cousins. You could be slightly closer related or slightly more distantly related, but you are related recently as genealogists measure relationship!
As Ralph Taylor says, "67-marker matches, if you’re lucky enough to find one, are very precise; you may need to account for the birth dates of the matching individuals. The main problem is that most people have done a lesser test, so you can only compare against the markers they had tested." Thus, refer to earlier blogs which discuss 37 marker matches and fewer matches.
Should you match in the range of 65-67/67: You share a common ancestor and he almost certainly lived within a genealogic time frame.
o A perfect 67/67: The 90% probability level is a TMRCA of <= 11 generations, >= 1735 AD; 70% is <= 6 gen., >= 1860 AD; & it’s 50% probable that your common ancestor is your great-great-grandfather.
o 66/67: 90% is <= 18 gen., >= 1560 AD; 70% is <= 18 gen., >= 1730 AD; 50% is <= 7 gen., 1835 AD.
o 65/67: 90% is <= 24 gen., >= 1410 AD; 70% is <= 16 gen., >= 1610; 50% is <= 12 gen., >= 1710 AD.
Should you match in the range of 62-64/67: You share a common ancestor, who may or may not have lived in a genealogic time frame.
o 64/67: 90% is <= 31 gen., >= 1235; 70% is <= 22 gen., >= 1460; 50% is <= 16 gen., 1610.
o 63/67: 90% is <= 37 gen., >= 1085 AD; 70% is <= 27 gen., >= 1330 AD; 50% is <= 21 gen., >= 1480 AD.
o 62/67: 90% is <= 43 gen., >= 930 AD; 70% is <= 32 gen., >= 1200 AD; 50% is <= 26 gen., >= 1360 AD.
We've have spent a number of blog entries discussing the statistical meaning of matches. You do not need to completely understand statistics or probability, though. What you do need to do is to investigate the family trees of anyone who closely matches you. For example, with a "perfect" match of 67/67, you and the other person should be able to find your common ancestor fairly easily. One hopes that each of you has some information about your mutual family tree so that you each gain significant new information. After all, that's why you chose to participate in this project.
The good news is that eventually sufficient y-DNA records and pedigrees will exist to satisfy every participant's desire for knowledge of their roots!
Best wishes as we move towards that goal.
Lalia
I'm continuing with more material from Ralph Taylor on the meaning of matches. What does it mean if you match 67 out of 67, commonly written 67/67, with another person? There is about a 50% likelihood that you share the same great-grandfather! Thus, you are second cousins. You could be slightly closer related or slightly more distantly related, but you are related recently as genealogists measure relationship!
As Ralph Taylor says, "67-marker matches, if you’re lucky enough to find one, are very precise; you may need to account for the birth dates of the matching individuals. The main problem is that most people have done a lesser test, so you can only compare against the markers they had tested." Thus, refer to earlier blogs which discuss 37 marker matches and fewer matches.
Should you match in the range of 65-67/67: You share a common ancestor and he almost certainly lived within a genealogic time frame.
o A perfect 67/67: The 90% probability level is a TMRCA of <= 11 generations, >= 1735 AD; 70% is <= 6 gen., >= 1860 AD; & it’s 50% probable that your common ancestor is your great-great-grandfather.
o 66/67: 90% is <= 18 gen., >= 1560 AD; 70% is <= 18 gen., >= 1730 AD; 50% is <= 7 gen., 1835 AD.
o 65/67: 90% is <= 24 gen., >= 1410 AD; 70% is <= 16 gen., >= 1610; 50% is <= 12 gen., >= 1710 AD.
Should you match in the range of 62-64/67: You share a common ancestor, who may or may not have lived in a genealogic time frame.
o 64/67: 90% is <= 31 gen., >= 1235; 70% is <= 22 gen., >= 1460; 50% is <= 16 gen., 1610.
o 63/67: 90% is <= 37 gen., >= 1085 AD; 70% is <= 27 gen., >= 1330 AD; 50% is <= 21 gen., >= 1480 AD.
o 62/67: 90% is <= 43 gen., >= 930 AD; 70% is <= 32 gen., >= 1200 AD; 50% is <= 26 gen., >= 1360 AD.
We've have spent a number of blog entries discussing the statistical meaning of matches. You do not need to completely understand statistics or probability, though. What you do need to do is to investigate the family trees of anyone who closely matches you. For example, with a "perfect" match of 67/67, you and the other person should be able to find your common ancestor fairly easily. One hopes that each of you has some information about your mutual family tree so that you each gain significant new information. After all, that's why you chose to participate in this project.
The good news is that eventually sufficient y-DNA records and pedigrees will exist to satisfy every participant's desire for knowledge of their roots!
Best wishes as we move towards that goal.
Lalia
Thursday, December 25, 2008
US President Zachary Taylor
Here are some comments following up on the subject of the previous post. These are from fellow Taylor DNA project administrator, Leigh Taylor:
Have you ever been told that you were related to Zachary Taylor? If so, you’re not the only one! But this is only is true for a very few people. He is probably the best-known and most prominent Taylor in US early history. He is also the base of many myths for our participants.
It might be helpful to view the tree for Zachary Taylor at Rootsweb's WorldConnect. [See link in previous post.] As it turns out, Zachary had no living direct male descendants. His only two male grandchildren died very young. You have to look further up/down his tree to his siblings & cousins to find your connection to Zachary, if any. Most of those branches also "daughtered out". The short version is: If your surname is Taylor, you're probably not related to Zachary.
If you or members of your family have been told that you are related to Zachary Taylor, you might want to compare your markers with the markers for participants in group 2 and study their family trees. Members of Group 2 that claim to have a paper trail to Zachary are:
Kit# 54705 - 12 markers but no tree submitted
Kit# 58928 - 67 markers but no tree submitted
Kit# 24691 - 37 markers = Kit# N2079 - 12 markers
Kit# 48113 - 37 markers similar to above
from Kit# 48113:
1. James Taylor (1610 ENG- 1698 VA) +m2 Mary Gregory
2. John Taylor (1696 VA- 1780 NC) + Catherine Pendleton
3. Joseph Taylor (xxx VA - xxx xx) + xxx
from Kit# 24691 and Kit# N2079:
1. James Taylor (1610 ENG- 1698 VA) +m2 Mary Gregory
2. John Taylor (1696 VA- 1780 NC) + Catherine Pendleton
3. Edmund Taylor (1723 VA- 1808 NC) + Ann Lewis
Have you ever been told that you were related to Zachary Taylor? If so, you’re not the only one! But this is only is true for a very few people. He is probably the best-known and most prominent Taylor in US early history. He is also the base of many myths for our participants.
It might be helpful to view the tree for Zachary Taylor at Rootsweb's WorldConnect. [See link in previous post.] As it turns out, Zachary had no living direct male descendants. His only two male grandchildren died very young. You have to look further up/down his tree to his siblings & cousins to find your connection to Zachary, if any. Most of those branches also "daughtered out". The short version is: If your surname is Taylor, you're probably not related to Zachary.
If you or members of your family have been told that you are related to Zachary Taylor, you might want to compare your markers with the markers for participants in group 2 and study their family trees. Members of Group 2 that claim to have a paper trail to Zachary are:
Kit# 54705 - 12 markers but no tree submitted
Kit# 58928 - 67 markers but no tree submitted
Kit# 24691 - 37 markers = Kit# N2079 - 12 markers
Kit# 48113 - 37 markers similar to above
from Kit# 48113:
1. James Taylor (1610 ENG- 1698 VA) +m2 Mary Gregory
2. John Taylor (1696 VA- 1780 NC) + Catherine Pendleton
3. Joseph Taylor (xxx VA - xxx xx) + xxx
from Kit# 24691 and Kit# N2079:
1. James Taylor (1610 ENG- 1698 VA) +m2 Mary Gregory
2. John Taylor (1696 VA- 1780 NC) + Catherine Pendleton
3. Edmund Taylor (1723 VA- 1808 NC) + Ann Lewis
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